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Oct-29-02, 07:39 PM (EST)
"Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theater in LA in Dec, 6, 2002"


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


Epoch Entertainment & Leapfrog Productions is proud to announce the theatrical release of ¡°Soap Girl,¡± a controversial new film featuring ¡°a marvelous ensemble cast who have more energy, sex-appeal and charm than any group to strut and vamp across the camera in recent memory.¡± (Film Threat)

¡°Soap Girl¡± debuted at the Big Bear Lake Film Festival winning the Audience Award including Best Asian American Feature. It has already garnered a five-star review from Film Threat and generated a lot of controversy over the internet message boards.

¡°Soap Girl¡± tells the story of Maya, a young Asian girl who applies for work in a seedy Hollywood massage parlor. As her true motivations are slowly revealed, she falls in love with a virgin poet who steals her heart.

¡°Soap Girl¡± is from award-winning Korean American director Young Man Kang (¡°Cupid¡¯s Mistake¡±, ¡°First Testament,¡± ¡°Death Valley Diary¡±) and stars award-winning actor Luciano Saber (¡°Placebo Effect¡±, ¡°Scared¡±) Kerry Liu (¡°Blood Sisters,¡± ¡°Terrortoons¡±) and Gina Hiraizumi (¡°The Kingston High.¡±)

¡°Soap Girl¡± premieres December 3 at 7:30 p.m. and opens December 6 at the Fairfax Laemmle Theater on Beverly and Fairfax and runs through December 12.

For more information: www.soapgirlfilm.com

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theate... Soap Girl Banner (Guest) Nov-09-02 1
   RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theate... Soap Girl Event (Guest) Nov-16-02 2
       RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theate... Leapfrog Productions (Guest) Nov-24-02 3
           RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theate... sellouts (Guest) Dec-03-02 4
               RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theate... Johnny Kim (Guest) Dec-04-02 5
                   RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theate... Expressive! (Guest) Dec-05-02 6
                       RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theate... Tim Chou (Guest) Dec-05-02 7
                           RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theate... Tim Chou (Guest) Dec-05-02 8
                           RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theate... Expressive! (Guest) Dec-05-02 12
                   mamasan give me massage... sellouts? (Guest) Dec-05-02 9
                       RE: Soapgirl movie Observer (Guest) Dec-05-02 10
                           RE: Soapgirl movie interesting (Guest) Dec-05-02 11
                           RE: Soapgirl movie blah... (Guest) Dec-06-02 14
                               RE: Soapgirl movie blah again... (Guest) Dec-06-02 15
                               RE: Soapgirl movie Bill (Guest) Dec-06-02 19
                               RE: Soapgirl movie soapboy (Guest) Dec-06-02 27
                               RE: Soapgirl movie solomon (Guest) Dec-10-02 61
                           RE: Soapgirl movie Audience (Guest) Dec-06-02 16
                       RE: mamasan give me massage... Expressive! (Guest) Dec-05-02 13
                       RE: mamasan give me massage... Tina Feng (Guest) Dec-08-02 48
                       RE: mamasan give me massage... worst acting (Guest) Dec-16-02 71
               Action Speaks Louder Than Words Mia (Guest) Dec-07-02 39
                   RE: Action Speaks Louder Than Words humdrum hypocrite? (Guest) Dec-10-02 60
 RE: Soap Girl -Breaking down sterotypes Asian American Activist (Guest) Dec-06-02 17
   RE: Soap Girl -Breaking down sterotypes Azian BoyZ (Guest) Dec-06-02 18
   RE: Soap Girl -Breaking down sterotypes Wide Awake (Guest) Dec-06-02 20
       RE: Soap Girl -Breaking down sterotypes Johnny Kim (Guest) Dec-06-02 21
           RE: Soap Girl -Breaking down sterotypes soapboy (Guest) Dec-06-02 28
       RE: Soap Girl -Breaking down sterotypes soapboy (Guest) Dec-06-02 29
       RE: Soap Girl -Breaking down sterotypes Asian American Activists (Guest) Dec-06-02 31
 RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theate... Web_surfer (Guest) Dec-06-02 22
   RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theate... susej (Guest) Dec-06-02 23
       RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theate... Nationalcritic (Guest) Dec-06-02 24
           RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theate... Aguy (Guest) Dec-06-02 25
               RE: Aguy Sally Chow-Robertson (Guest) Dec-07-02 40
 RE: Soap Girl Power!!!!!!!!!!!!! Soap Girl Still (Guest) Dec-06-02 26
   RE: Soap Girl Power!!!!!!!!!!!!! koreanboy (Guest) Dec-06-02 30
 What Asian-Am movie do you like? Asian-Am activist (Guest) Dec-06-02 32
   RE: What Asian-Am movie do you like? voyeurman (Guest) Dec-06-02 33
       soap girl rocks review (Guest) Dec-07-02 34
           RE: soap girl rocks Stinky (Guest) Dec-07-02 35
               RE: soap girl rocks Expressive! (Guest) Dec-07-02 36
               RE: soap girl rocks reviewer (Guest) Dec-07-02 37
                   RE: soap girl rocks imdb.com (Guest) Dec-07-02 38
                       RE: In Response To "Aguy" Sally Chin-Robertson (Guest) Dec-07-02 41
                           Soap Girl actresses Janice Lee Morita (Guest) Dec-07-02 42
                               RE: Soap Girl actresses Ladychina (Guest) Dec-07-02 43
                                   Breaking Sterotypes Sammy (Guest) Dec-07-02 44
                                       RE: Breaking Sterotypes H. Yi (Guest) Dec-07-02 45
                                           Controversal Big C (Guest) Dec-08-02 46
                                               RE: Controversal YllwPwr96 (Guest) Dec-08-02 47
                                       RE: Breaking Sterotypes Solomon (Guest) Dec-08-02 49
 AS A FILM, solely as a FILM!!!! IAN (Guest) Dec-08-02 50
   RE: AS A FILM, solely as a FILM!!!! David Nash (Guest) Dec-08-02 51
       RE: AS A FILM, solely as a FILM!!!! Patricia Silveo (Guest) Dec-08-02 52
           Great film Harold Y. Lee (Guest) Dec-08-02 53
               NYROCKS LA-SUCKS (Guest) Dec-09-02 54
                   RE: NYROCKS solomon (Guest) Dec-09-02 56
       RE: AS A FILM, solely as a FILM!!!! IAN (Guest) Dec-09-02 55
           RE: Soap Girl Film Review Nicole A. De Jesus, TuningIn.com (Guest) Dec-09-02 57
               RE: Soap Girl Film Review Stinky (Guest) Dec-09-02 58
                   RE: Soap Girl Film Review TO: Stinky (Guest) Dec-09-02 59
                       Good movie netor (Guest) Dec-10-02 62
                           RE: Good movie Gardena Theater (Guest) Dec-10-02 63
                               SOAP GIRL Rulez! Robert Montoya (Guest) Dec-11-02 64
                               RE: Gardena Theater Rainbow Brite (Guest) Dec-12-02 65
                                   RE: Gardena Theater Percy kim (Guest) Dec-13-02 66
                                       RE: Gardena Theater solomon (Guest) Dec-13-02 67
                                           RE: Gardena Theater Nito Hsu (Guest) Dec-14-02 68
                                               RE: Gardena Theater Horace Lee, Irvine (Guest) Dec-15-02 69
                                                   cant y'all git along? VatoLoco (Guest) Dec-15-02 70
                                                       Soap Girl is the best asian movie! gregory hsu (Guest) Dec-16-02 72
                                                           RE: Soap Girl is the best asian movie! Keenan Chung (Guest) Dec-16-02 73
                                                               RE: Soap Girl is the best asian movie! White Power (Guest) Dec-17-02 74
                                                                   RE: Soap Girl is the best asian movie! fuming mad (Guest) Dec-17-02 75
                                                                       "White Power" go to hell ! Asian Pride (Guest) Dec-17-02 76
                                                                           racist pigs die! precious stone (Guest) Dec-17-02 77
                                                                               RE: racist pigs die! Proud to be "real" American! (Guest) Dec-18-02 78
                                                                                   RE: racist pigs die! Marcus (Guest) Dec-18-02 80
                                                                                   RE: racist pigs die! you're a true american (Guest) Jun-06-04 94
                                                                   response to asshole soft porn? (Guest) Dec-18-02 79
                                                                   SOAP GIRL Ted Soh (Guest) Dec-18-02 81
                                                                       RE: SOAP GIRL Asians Rulez!! (Guest) Dec-18-02 82
                                                                           BOOTY LICIOUS excellente! (Guest) Dec-19-02 83
                                                               RE: Soap Girl is the best asian movie! keenan chung (Guest) Jan-31-04 93
 SOAP GIRL- THE 10 BEST UNSEEN FILMS OF 2002 Film Threat (Guest) Dec-20-02 84
   RE: SOAP GIRL- THE 10 BEST UNSEEN FILMS OF 20... D. Kim (Guest) Dec-21-02 85
       HaPPy HoliDayZ SoaP GiRL KReW! southern_belle (Guest) Dec-23-02 86
           RE: Soap Girl continues Texas run Soap Girl (Guest) Jan-04-03 87
               RE: Soap Girl continues Texas run girlfriend (Guest) May-04-03 88
 RE: Soap Girl Soap Girl (Guest) Jun-10-03 89
   RE: Soap Girl Caitlyn (Guest) Jun-30-03 90
       RE: Soap Girl FILMFANACTIC (Guest) Jul-06-03 91
 Cult Movies Review Coco Kiyonaga (Guest) Aug-27-03 92
 RE: Soap Girl DVD Release Soap Girl (Guest) Nov-26-05 95
   RE: Soap Girl DVD Release L. Wolfe (Guest) Jan-17-06 96
       Soap Girl DVD: Now Avaliable Vanguard (Guest) Aug-15-06 97
 RE: "The Last Eve" DVD release in Germany, De... Last Eve (Guest) Oct-01-06 98
 RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theate... pantsonfire Oct-03-06 99
   RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theate... PictureThis Oct-06-06 100

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Soap Girl Banner (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Nov-09-02, 10:29 PM (EST)
1. "RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theater in LA in Dec, 6, 2002"
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Soap Girl Event (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Nov-16-02, 00:02 AM (EST)
2. "RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theater in LA in Dec, 6, 2002"
NEWS JUST IN!!

Come and meet the moviestars of the most controversial
asian american film of the year,
SOAPGIRL...www.soapgirlfilm.com

Nov 27 - Kiramas (www.kiramas.org
@ Sky Sushi (on Santa Monica blvd.)

Nov 30 - DMK Entertainment presents...

THE OFFICIAL SOAPGIRL MOVIE RELEASE PARTY!!

@ Chillers in Redondo Beach (www.dmkworld.com)

----
Scheduled for appearances by
Luciano Saber (Placebo Effect)
Kerry Liu (ABC "General Hospital")
Gina Hiraizumi (NBC "Cityguys", ABC "Port Charles")
Tomiko Lee ("Hawaii Five-O" "Magnum P.I.")


THE MOVIE OPENS TO THE PUBLIC ON DECEMBER 6, 2002
AT THE FAIRFAX LAEMMLE THEATRES (BEVERLY AND FAIRFAX)
ACROSS FROM CBS. LETS ALL GO WATCH IT!!!

LETS ALL GO SUPPORT THE ASIAN AMERICAN MOVIE STARS~

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Leapfrog Productions (Guest) (2 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Nov-24-02, 07:34 PM (EST)
3. "RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theater in LA in Dec, 6, 2002"
Soap Girl News

-= Cast and Crew Appearances =-
Come meet the people behind Soap Girl in person! Chat with the film crew, meet the beautiful actresses and get your hands on exclusive autographed merchandise!

Nov. 27 2002
The Palace Nightclub Hollywood,
in association with Access Magazine.
1735 Vine St., Hollywood.

Nov. 29 2002
Club Blue Hollywood,
in association with Kiramas.
1642 N. Las Palmas Ave., Hollywood.

Nov. 30 2002
Chillers Nightclub Redondo Beach,
in association with DMK.
239 N. Harbor Dr., Redondo Bch.
Check back soon for more bookings!

-= Soap Girl in the News =-

StartInUSA.com covers Soap Girl, with Cast & Crew Interviews!

-= Soap Girl Tickets Now On Sale =-
at the following locations:

Andorra Cafe & Restaurant:
3670 Wilshire Blvd., (Wilshire & Hobart) 213-427-8866

DA BO WON - Korean Herb Tea Shop:
3528 W. 8th St. #A L.A., CA 90005 (8th & Oxford) 213-388-3051

Sha Bu Sha Bu Western Japanese Restaurant:
545 S. Western Ave. #D L.A. 90020 (6th & Western) 213-383-4949

Kum Da Rae Korean Restaurant: 6th & Serrano Shopping Mall,
(next to NanDa Rang Coffee shop) 213-386-3051

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sellouts (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-03-02, 04:56 PM (EST)
4. "RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theater in LA in Dec, 6, 2002"
asian-american girls as geisha whores for a white man...
suckee suckee me washee washee
me give you massage and love you long time

do you really want to support this SELLOUT BS?


>Soap Girl News
>
>-= Cast and Crew Appearances =-
>
>Come meet the people behind Soap
>Girl in person! Chat with
>the film crew, meet the
>beautiful actresses and get your
>hands on exclusive autographed merchandise!
>
>
>Nov. 27 2002
>The Palace Nightclub Hollywood,
>in association with Access Magazine.
>1735 Vine St., Hollywood.
>
>Nov. 29 2002
>Club Blue Hollywood,
>in association with Kiramas.
>1642 N. Las Palmas Ave., Hollywood.
>
>
>Nov. 30 2002
>Chillers Nightclub Redondo Beach,
>in association with DMK.
>239 N. Harbor Dr., Redondo Bch.
>
>Check back soon for more bookings!
>
>
>-= Soap Girl in the News
>=-
>
>StartInUSA.com covers Soap Girl, with Cast
>& Crew Interviews!
>
>-= Soap Girl Tickets Now On
>Sale =-
>at the following locations:
>
>Andorra Cafe & Restaurant:
>3670 Wilshire Blvd., (Wilshire & Hobart)
>213-427-8866
>
>DA BO WON - Korean Herb
>Tea Shop:
>3528 W. 8th St. #A L.A.,
>CA 90005 (8th & Oxford)
>213-388-3051
>
>Sha Bu Sha Bu Western Japanese
>Restaurant:
>545 S. Western Ave. #D L.A.
>90020 (6th & Western) 213-383-4949
>
>
>Kum Da Rae Korean Restaurant: 6th
>& Serrano Shopping Mall,
>(next to NanDa Rang Coffee shop)
>213-386-3051


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Johnny Kim (Guest) (4 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-04-02, 10:25 PM (EST)
5. "RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theater in LA in Dec, 6, 2002"
I was at the premiere. The audience loved it. Try watching the film first. It isn't what you think.

BTW, it ISN'T about race. The guy she falls in love with just happens to be white -- and NO he doesn't rescue her from the life. This isn't Pretty Woman.

jk

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Expressive! (Guest) (4 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-05-02, 06:30 AM (EST)
6. "RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theater in LA in Dec, 6, 2002"
oh my god, what a horrible film! The audience didn't have the heart to lie to the mother who sold her house to finance this piece of junk that sets the asian actress a million years!
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Tim Chou (Guest) (2 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-05-02, 11:10 AM (EST)
7. "RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theater in LA in Dec, 6, 2002"
I was at the premiere and sat in the audience it was really good that sucks that people sneak into the premiere and bash the movie. Maybe the filmmakers of soap girl didnt have the heart of to tell them that they weren't invited.

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Tim Chou (Guest) (2 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-05-02, 11:28 AM (EST)
8. "RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theater in LA in Dec, 6, 2002"
I talked to the soap girl filmmakers and the selling the house was a joke. have you ever heard of bridge financing you stupid?
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Expressive! (Guest) (4 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-05-02, 07:14 PM (EST)
12. "RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theater in LA in Dec, 6, 2002"
Of course, film makers will only invite people who will lie to their face about the quality of the movie!

I'm sorry but someone has to be blunt and honest about this good-for-nothing-film that was demeaning to every asian woman!

How do you expect Hollywood to respect us when Soap Girl is a representation of our work?


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sellouts? (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-05-02, 03:25 PM (EST)
9. "mamasan give me massage..."
>BTW, it ISN'T about race. The
>guy she falls in love
>with just happens to be
>white --

of course it's about race - you think the slutty massage girls just happen to be asian?? why not cast an asian guy as the lead and have the massage girls be all white?? you think the white guys in the audience with their mail-order bride gf's would like that one?...

i haven't seen this crap and i don't plan on it...
maybe the writing is witty, maybe it has solid production values...but so what...aren't you tired of seeing our asian sisters as whores, sluts, and sex objects to white men (and men in general)...and this talk about about female asian-american empowerment is bullsh_t...it's another white man's geisha girl fantasy...gee if you suck white c_ck then maybe you'll be an empowered asian-american male...

i would expect something like this from hollywood, but it's truly sad that this is produced, written, directed by asian-americans...i suppose this is the sh_t that sells...

hmmm...maybe i should give the movie a chance...i do kinda like that press photo of the white dude surrounded by asian whores smiling and ready to please...it's cute isn't it? while i'm at it, i should read Tony Young's book of poetry (the soapgirl writer)...i heard it's called “I Wanna Be A High Priced Slut.” How appropriate...


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Observer (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-05-02, 04:39 PM (EST)
10. "RE: Soapgirl movie"
A lot of people try to bash other Asians in the
industry, and if people say something negative
about "Soap Girl" then the filmmakers are definitely
doing something right. Congradulations to Soap Girl!

But being the person that saw the film first-hand,
the premiere was such a big success -
one of the best Asian-American movie premieres
I have attended in a long time. The turn-out
was excellent, there was people of all cultures
and races, and it really unified all cultures
together. The film itself was a comedy, and the
audience was enjoying themselves, as they laughed
hysterically. Everyone loved the movie. It wasn't
even about racial barriers...in fact, the film
broke out of stereotypes, strengthening GIRL POWER.
Maya: the out-of-job girl that comes and befriends
all the Soap Girls, Asia: the resident trainer
character with the hip-hop flair that adds some real
good color to the character, Sammy: the blonde/black
wigged girl,....come to think of it...they should
make a television series for "Soap Girl."

It reminds me of an Asian "Charlie's Angels"

The film was really good. It was funny and I will
take my wife this weekend and go see it. It's
definitely something to see with a date. A romantic,
yet funny, entertaining comedy.

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interesting (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-05-02, 05:33 PM (EST)
11. "RE: Soapgirl movie"
sounds like the writer used asian-stereotypes as a means to sell this so call "independent" film. so be it, I'm going to watch it to see why it stinks.

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blah... (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-06-02, 03:38 AM (EST)
14. "RE: Soapgirl movie"
Um...I think the only person you heard laughing hysterically through the whole movie was Kelly herself. Believe me. I think she laughed enough for the whole audience. I felt really sorry for Luciano, because he was actually really good at his role. Probably the only one who really impressed me with his acting. Okay, let's get away from all the bickering about racial stereotypes. Honestly, I was bugged about the whole idea of asian girls portrayed as nothing more than soapgirls...but that's not all that was wrong with the movie. Even if it were a different ethnic group doing the acting, the story and characters did nothing for me. Everything just seemed underdeveloped...I didn't feel sympathy for the main character (Maya) nor did I feel linked to any part of the story at all. I think they could've spent more time developing the characters and the storyline a little more in order to get the viewers involved and actually interested in what happened next. I hope their next project is way better than this one!
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blah again... (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-06-02, 03:41 AM (EST)
15. "RE: Soapgirl movie"
i mean Kerry... sorry, i got her name wrong...
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Bill (Guest) (5 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-06-02, 06:02 AM (EST)
19. "RE: Soapgirl movie"
I have to agree with you. Luciano was totally hot!! Less soap girls, MORE Luciano!! Anyone know if he has a website?
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soapboy (Guest) (3 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-06-02, 05:34 PM (EST)
27. "RE: Soapgirl movie"
it other words the movie lack substance and the only reason of interest is see prostitutes portrayed as real people.
eh huh, that's very Asian American.
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solomon (Guest) (3 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-10-02, 03:55 PM (EST)
61. "RE: Soapgirl movie"
Well, this board just keeps on getting more interesting. And as promised, I will reveal more behind the scenes info regarding the original script.

All of their girls had a more substantial role. Maya massages the girls in the scene you saw, not because she was bored but she wanted to take revenge on them -- by giving them the sensual pleasure they don't receive when they're on the job.

Asia and Yuko get "closer" to one another, but all of this is done through screen directions with no dialogue. In the hustle and bustle of a tight shooting schedule and time constraints, there was no time to develop their story arc.

Jenna had a subplot involving Mr. Jones. She tries to get out of the business by helping Maya hook up Harry with Jones, who was a film producer (later changed to a book publisher.)

However, all of this was deemed too complex for what needs to be a simple story. And quite frankly, I'm glad it was simplified.

More stuff later after you see the film.

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Dec-06-02, 05:13 AM (EST)
16. "RE: Soapgirl movie"
I totally agree with your opinion!!!!
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Expressive! (Guest) (4 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-05-02, 07:17 PM (EST)
13. "RE: mamasan give me massage..."
you're right maybe the marketing angle was to produce soft porn for the white guys w/ asian fetishes.

or to get everyone to see it because there was so much talk about how horrible his film was.

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Tina Feng (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-08-02, 04:54 AM (EST)
48. "RE: mamasan give me massage..."
Like many have said before me, this sterotype occurs in all races... So quit trying to make it seem like Asians women are big-time sluts.

To the marketing major.... sex sells.. duh!!!

To all the people that are complaining about why SOAP GIRL was made is that either:
- You are inexperienced in Life.........or........
- You have nothing to offer.

So my suggestion to those whiners is to concentrate on yourself: get an education, make something of yourself, and contribute to this crazy world we live in so, that one day the generation after you will have something intelligent to talk about and have the open-mindiness to see things that they really are instead of all this babbling about blaming the filmmakers and actors of SOAP GIRL for perpetuating the "stereotype."

Besides, you, as a red-blooded male, you like the Asian sluts. Come on...I KNOW YOU DO...so, STOP COMPLAINING! You're beginning to sound like a woman.

GET A LIFE

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Dec-16-02, 01:19 AM (EST)
71. "RE: mamasan give me massage..."
I was at the premier. With all the hype I was really excited . However, as I was watching this film I was shocked and embarrased. Main actor Luciano's acting was God-awful. The director can't direct at all..looks like porn-quality junk. As an Asian female, I would seriously avoid this crappy film!
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Mia (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-07-02, 05:49 PM (EST)
39. "Action Speaks Louder Than Words"
You are accusing the filmmakers of SOAP GIRL sellouts?

Let me outline something for your hypocritical attitude. Are you telling me that you support Asian-anything, where, in your daily and, probably humdrum, life-- you listen to your favorite music other than Asian music, you wear the latest clothing other than from Asian designers and you watch all the action/comedy/romance films that Hollywood churns out more than watching all other Asian films?

If I am incorrect on anything I may have pinpointed, then I am sorry for stripping off your true identity and what's left of your own egotistical insecurity.

"Actions Speak Louder Than Words."

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humdrum hypocrite? (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-10-02, 02:55 PM (EST)
60. "RE: Action Speaks Louder Than Words"
>You are accusing the filmmakers of
>SOAP GIRL sellouts?

in case you didn't understand the post - YES

and since you're so curious about my "probably humdrum life"
- i don't wear abercrombie and fitch
or listen to puff daddy ("Got asian women
That'll change my linen")
or watch the racist films hollywood churns out
more importantly, i don't support films made BY asian-americans that exploit asian women for a white audience.


>Let me outline something for your
>hypocritical attitude. Are you
>telling me that you support
>Asian-anything, where, in your daily
>and, probably humdrum, life-- you
>listen to your favorite music
>other than Asian music, you
>wear the latest clothing other
>than from Asian designers and
>you watch all the action/comedy/romance
>films that Hollywood churns out
>more than watching all other
>Asian films?
>
>If I am incorrect on anything
>I may have pinpointed, then
>I am sorry for stripping
>off your true identity and
>what's left of your own
>egotistical insecurity.
>
>"Actions Speak Louder Than Words."


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Dec-06-02, 05:40 AM (EST)
17. "RE: Soap Girl -Breaking down sterotypes"
Honestly, I didn't i know what to expect when I heard about this movie. But I tried to have an open mind. Glad I did.

I think this movie exposed a real subculture that exists in the Asian-Am society, . . . one that we often reject but surely exists and surely affects many people. Just like Joan Chen's movie, Heaven and Earth, which showed the downside of the Veitnam war and how many people came to the US as brides. This movie shows what really it is like for those who end up in the "soal Girl" world. It takes away the glamour, and shows the horrible things that really exist. but it retains a sense of humor, something we all need to make it through tough times.

This movie starts with something far more pervasive than many Asian-Ams like to admit exists, and breaks the sterotypes by showing the "soapgirls" as real people. I personally know many people who have gone in the limos on 34th street in New York to Massage parlors, and have gone to clubs like Le Prive and seen the gangester types.

About time we take away the glamour, show us as real people, expose the ulgy, and start talking about the issues. But I have to respect the fact that the movie manages not to be depressing.

Time we face reality. See the movie and think about it.

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Dec-06-02, 05:58 AM (EST)
18. "RE: Soap Girl -Breaking down sterotypes"
Hey man, you post was Wack!!!. Too true Man. Looked at LA Weekly. 15 pages of massage ads. Must be like . . . 500 ads. Man!! If each place has 3 girls, and they see two new guys a day each, then in a year, Gzee, must be If the places are only open 200 days, means about 500,000 dudes in LA have had happy endings this year! Talk about full service. C'mon guys, adnmit you do it like the rest of us AsianZ bros!!!
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Dec-06-02, 02:40 PM (EST)
20. "RE: Soap Girl -Breaking down sterotypes"
I agree, it's certainly time for Asian-Americans to wake up and face reality...unfortunately reality doesn't exist in Asian fetish trash entertainment like "Soap Girl" or "Heaven and Earth." (I'm sure director Ollie Stone has his share of killing Asian guys and f_ckin asian whores on his tours of duty) Movies such as this further demean Asian men AND women...and are essentially racist. The formula is simple...Asian men are portrayed as evil gangster types that subjugate their women, and women are portrayed as geisha whores or weak lotus flower beauties who need to be "rescued" by white men (either sensitive virgin poets or GI's)...

And Asian prostitution is not a "subculture" that needs to be exposed - it's very mainstream, acceptable, and glorified by white america. Just look at Christina Aguilera's latest music video. Or look at any Village Voice (hmm...what are the largest and most colorful ads for?)
(on a side note - reminds me of last Halloween, when I saw at least half a dozen white girls dressed as geishas..."hmmm i've got this great idea to be an asian whore for halloween this year..")

This is how mainstream white america views asian-american women...and sad that this is how many young asian-american girls (via media bombardment) will ultimately view themselves...

We don't need to support trash like this to understand reality...
This movie was made with a specific theme and cast with a white male lead for one reason - $$$...The Asian-American talent involved in this production are SELLOUTS...that's the unfortunate reality...

I understand your points and I don't mean to offend...but I don't feel it's necessary to put money in the pockets of sellout asian talent or Hollywood directors with asian fetishes to understand my own culture...

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Dec-06-02, 03:26 PM (EST)
21. "RE: Soap Girl -Breaking down sterotypes"
How many times do I have to say this? The white male in this movie does NOT rescue the Asian girl.

And here's some inside info. In the original draft, the Asian male gangster was a fake gangster who turns out to the Mamasan's son.

And prostitution is almost NEVER portrayed realistically. This film attempted to do so. I am really offended by people who call these characters slutty. If you were out there researching this film, you would find out that prostitutes do not behave in a slutty manner. To them, it's a business. Some of them even admit that they are terrible at talking dirty and performing certain services I won't go into here.

These girls do not think of themselves as "pleasing men," though that is their sales pitch and hence, why so many movies about this subject are one-sided.

jk

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Dec-06-02, 05:48 PM (EST)
28. "RE: Soap Girl -Breaking down sterotypes"
"In the original draft, the Asian male gangster was a fake gangster who turns out to the Mamasan's son. "

Wow one can only extrapolate the film's quality if such a concept was in the original draft.

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Dec-06-02, 06:04 PM (EST)
29. "RE: Soap Girl -Breaking down sterotypes"

I agree it looks like the film isn't about reaching out or making a statement for the Asian American community. It's a shame that an independent film is using traditional Hollywood formula to gain stardom.
Interesting parallel that soapgirls are exploited by their own people. We have a film directed by an Asian director exploiting his culture for his own gain.

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Dec-06-02, 07:10 PM (EST)
31. "RE: Soap Girl -Breaking down sterotypes"
Wide Awake, it is not correct to say that say that asian prostitutes and gangsters are only part of white american and hence racists. Look at any Hong Kong movie, Korean Movie or Japanese movie and see how often they depict gangsters and the "Soapgirl" world. In other words, these issues are apart of both asian culture and Asian-am culture and is not particularly in relation to white america.
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Dec-06-02, 03:27 PM (EST)
22. "RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theater in LA in Dec, 6, 2002"
Director Kang has been all over the indie/low-budget map. Girl may grant him larger success, or at least a touch of controversy. Seems some people are all up in arms with his portrayal of Asian women as comely lovecats, though from what we've seen, it looks like a winning combo of beauty and brains.

-IMDB.com

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Dec-06-02, 03:49 PM (EST)
23. "RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theater in LA in Dec, 6, 2002"

In order to destroy any stereotypes one must meet it head on. In this case yes it is blatant but within this realm one must deal with the reality that is brought forth to the attention of the masses only then can you change the hearts and mind of men through moral struggles within the archetype. In each personality of the characters lies the truth of each human and in that relationship thru this visual photoplay, that which is common in all, lays the truth of our existence.

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Dec-06-02, 04:33 PM (EST)
24. "RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theater in LA in Dec, 6, 2002"

I personally think the performances of the cast were the best I've seen in an Asian American themed feature since the Joy Luck Club. Mrs. Kerry Liu may be on the horizon as the next up and coming star. Luciano Saber's quiet but disarming Character is quite refreshing especially with Hollywood's personality driven features. And Tomiko Lee's lite but firm grasp on the Mamasan character is quite a wonder to behold.

Soap Girl B+

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Dec-06-02, 04:36 PM (EST)
25. "RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theater in LA in Dec, 6, 2002"

I don't like white people taking our Asian girls. I think we should picket the film.
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Sally Chow-Robertson (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-07-02, 06:11 PM (EST)
40. "RE: Aguy"
In response to "Aguy," I am Chinese-American woman married to a wonderful man. He was my high school sweetheart. And, he is White-Caucasian.

Do you want to know why you tend to notice only the "white man/asian woman" combo? Because that is all you want to see (or look for-- something to complain about) rather than do something with your life.

We live in a diverse community such is L.A. My brother is happily married to a Latina. I have a broad group of friends who are together despite of ethnicity.

I've grown up with narrow-minded Asians forever and I am sorry you feel this way. But, you have to grow up sometime. And, experience more of life. Or, maybe, you have had your failed relationships with Asian women who prefers other than Asian.

You might fall in that Asian stereotype yourself: timid, shy, selfish, uncaring, proud, believes the woman should be in the kitchen, the woman should never defy the man, the woman should be dependent to the man-- oh, how I despise that old Asian lifestyle.

I see it when their fathers teach their sons about how to handle Asian women and that it is best for the Asian community. That's a load of crap.

Which is why I prefer Caucasian men. They express how they feel without embarrassment, they are open-minded and fair, they do not complain or blame society of their shortcomings, and are leaders.

If you want to change the image of Asians, then SOAP GIRL is doing that with their film. I haven't seen it yet but from what I heard from people who've seen it, it is worth going.

If you really want to change people's perspective and attitudes about the Asian community, then really look at yourself and start from there.

Good Luck, and I really mean it.

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Dec-06-02, 05:13 PM (EST)
26. "RE: Soap Girl Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Dec-06-02, 06:38 PM (EST)
30. "RE: Soap Girl Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
that girl in the bikini is hot
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Dec-06-02, 07:16 PM (EST)
32. "What Asian-Am movie do you like?"
Just out of curiousity what asian-am movie do you folks like? Do we all dislike all Asian_am movies? Joy Luck Club made Asian men look bad, there has been criticism of heaven and earth, soapgirl and many other movies.

So I'm interested in hearing what you folks feel is a good depiction as a point of reference.


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Dec-06-02, 09:36 PM (EST)
33. "RE: What Asian-Am movie do you like?"
we (speakin from chinese-am POV) like Jackie Chan movies because asian men kick ass. who cares about asian women. they should stay at home.
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Dec-07-02, 04:25 AM (EST)
34. "soap girl rocks"
SOAP GIRL is the best movie I have ever seen
this year! I thought the movie was such a good
clean comedy! I want to see it again this weekend.
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Dec-07-02, 01:06 PM (EST)
35. "RE: soap girl rocks"
Hard to believe the hype after reading the LA Weekly's scathing take on the film:

SOAP GIRL

In this silly and pretentious would-be romance from director Young Man Kang, Maya (Kerry Liu), a sullen young woman with a tragic past, becomes the top draw at a Fairfax District bathhouse/massage parlor. Although Maya won’t have sex with her clients, she works up such a mean head of lather (hence the title) that they nonetheless become obsessed with her, especially Harry, a dweebish technical writer/poet-novelist (Luciano Saber). Maya may be falling for him, too, but it’s hard to tell for sure, since her motivations remain a mystery, thanks to Tony T.L. Young’s scatterbrained script and Liu’s unwillingness to emote. When Maya finally confesses her painful secret to Harry in a seaside breakdown, the revelation has zero emotional weight and yet is so overwrought that one can only laugh. The director, however, isn’t laughing — he’s making art, as evidenced by the many lingering, portentous close-ups of Maya’s eyes and lips. Those shots, as well as a long, semierotic scene in which the massage girls trade barbs and back rubs, suggest that Kang’s instincts are better suited to softcore cable porn. (Chuck Wilson)

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Dec-07-02, 03:54 PM (EST)
36. "RE: soap girl rocks"
LOL!! at least someone else agrees with me!!
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Dec-07-02, 04:55 PM (EST)
37. "RE: soap girl rocks"
How about this review

SOAP GIRL
by Phil Hall
(05/13/2002)

5 Stars * * * * *

2002, Un-rated, 86 Minutes, Leapfrog Productions

Young Man Kang is the immensely talented Korean-American filmmaker with a remarkable gift for cross-jumping genres. His first dramatic feature "Cupid's Mistake" (2000), made for a teeny $850, offered a Cassavetes-style glide across the sharp edges of a love quadrangle, while his second feature "1st Testament: CIA Vengeance" (2001) invaded classic B-Movie territory with an adrenaline rush of non-stop action. His latest feature is "Soap Girl" and this time around Kang moves into the world of the so-called grrl power with a delightfully entertaining drama about life in a Hollywood massage parlor and the surprising young ladies employed therein.

"Soap Girl" focuses on Maya (Kerry Liu), who arrives one night at the door of a massage parlor seeking employment. Maya looks every inch the tragic case: disheveled clothing, no visible means of support, and a halting command of English. The parlor's owner is Mamasan (Tomiko Lee) who foregoes the job interview process and hires Maya on the spot, providing food and shelter and a fashionably slutty new wardrobe. The other girls at the parlor are initially wary of Maya, who is visibly uncomfortable with a few aspects of her work...especially the prerequisite "happy ending" that most of the customers expect (this is not the place where one seeks out a therapeutic Swedish massage). With uncommon speed, Maya acquires the skills to make herself one of the most sought-after girls in the establishment, and a chance meeting with a thirtysomething poet who never lost his virginity (Luciano Saber) brings Maya the opportunity to come to terms with a dark secret which long obscured her chances to find happiness.

Okay, so "Soap Girl" is not the most intellectually challenging film around. If you want an intellectual challenge, then go watch an old Stanley Kubrick film. But if you want pure, undiluted, 100% guaranteed entertainment, "Soap Girl" is the film to enjoy. This film is a wonderful work of fun, with a marvelous ensemble cast who have more energy, sex-appeal and charm than any group to strut and vamp across the camera in recent memory. "Soap Girl" has the most beautiful group of big-screen massage therapists (nudge nudge) to grace the screen, with special mention deserving of Gina Hiraizumi as the flippant self-described bitch with the inevitable heart of gold, Kate Holliday as the slick chick who can't decide whether to stay blonde or brunette, Hiromi Nishiyama as a voice of calm and reason, and Mari Tanaka as the vulnerable pack member. And as the dignified matron, Tomiko Lee provides a vision of dignified grace and mature beauty as the good-hearted Mamasan.

"Soap Girl" is ultimately a soap opera, but this is some soap opera! What can you say about a film where the massage parlor employees decide to shut down an extortion racket by giving a group rubdown to a mobster which climaxes when the ladies suddenly whip out frying pans for a series of fatal head-whacks? Or when an effeminate man, after initially admitting during his massage that he's been attracted to other men for the course of his sexual existence, abruptly announces his desire to see how the other 90% are getting it off after Maya gives him a few tugs on his tight shoulders? There is the prerequisite corrupt cop on the take (thank you, LAPD), the oversized doofus customer who bangs his forehead on a low-hanging chandelier, the married man bemoaning the disastrous state of his wedding ring imprisonment, and even a dastardly literary agent who pesters the virginal poet about a technical manual he is writing as a for-hire job. But the poet and Maya enjoy the ultimate high-kitsch moment when, after he is newly deflowered and she is newly liberated, they soak together in a bathroom decorated with so many candles that it is a minor miracle the smoke detector doesn't go berserk.

And speaking of the somewhat overage virgin whom Maya inspires in so many way, Luciano Saber takes what might have been a thoroughly thankless role and turns into a wonderfully comic and warm-hearted character. Although it would seem he is physically ill-suited for the role (his buff physique looks at odds with his uber-geek character), Saber deftly makes this unlikely figure come to life. With nervous gestures and guffawing mannerisms that may recall the bashful buzzard from the Bugs Bunny cartoons, the character is comical without being idiotic. Coupled with the gifted Kerry Liu as Maya, the actors bring a genuine sweetness and humanity to the proceedings.

For all the camp fun, "Soap Girl" is noteworthy for some of the most strikingly beautiful cinematography around. Polish-Isr©¡li cinematographer Henryk Tzvi Cymerman captures stunning imagery throughout the film, from the garish decor of the massage parlor halls to the Fauvist hues of a Pacific sunset. Cymerman's camera takes what was obviously a low-budget effort and makes it (and its stars) look like a million bucks.

There has been some minor controversy (mostly from cranky people tacking up messages in online forums) about the depiction of Asian-American women in "Soap Girl." The main problem is the film's alleged continuation of the stereotype of the Asian female as a docile sexual plaything. Whoever made these comments clearly never saw "Soap Girl." Yes, the film takes place in a somewhat dubious setting and, yes, babes here are made-up to look a bit on the slutty side. But the girls also come with equipped with 21st century brain-power, will-power and (yes) grrl-power. Rather than perpetuate stereotypes, "Soap Girl" and its take-charge/take-no-crap attitude that it happily demolishes stereotypes. If anything, the audience will find itself shouting "You go, Soap Girl!"

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Dec-07-02, 04:57 PM (EST)
38. "RE: soap girl rocks"
Director Kang has been all over the indie/low-budget map. Girl may grant him larger success, or at least a touch of controversy. Seems some people are all up in arms with his portrayal of Asian women as comely lovecats, though from what we've seen, it looks like a winning combo of beauty and brains.

- imdb.com -

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Sally Chin-Robertson (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-07-02, 06:16 PM (EST)
41. "RE: In Response To "Aguy""
In response to "Aguy," I am Chinese-American woman married to a wonderful man. He was my high school sweetheart. And, he is White-Caucasian.

Do you want to know why you tend to notice only the "white man/asian woman" combo? Because that is all you want to see (or look for-- something to complain about) rather than do something with your life.

We live in a diverse community such is L.A. My brother is happily married to a Latina. I have a broad group of friends who are together despite of ethnicity.

I've grown up with narrow-minded Asians forever and I am sorry you feel this way. But, you have to grow up sometime. And, experience more of life. Or, maybe, you have had your failed relationships with Asian women who prefers other than Asian.

You might fall in that Asian stereotype yourself: timid, shy, selfish, uncaring, proud, believes the woman should be in the kitchen, the woman should never defy the man, the woman should be dependent to the man-- oh, how I despise that old Asian lifestyle.

I see it when their fathers teach their sons about how to handle Asian women and that it is best for the Asian community. That's a load of crap.

Which is why I prefer Caucasian men. They express how they feel without embarrassment, they are open-minded and fair, they do not complain or blame society of their shortcomings, and are leaders.

If you want to change the image of Asians, then SOAP GIRL is doing that with their film. I haven't seen it yet but from what I heard from people who've seen it, it is worth going.

If you really want to change people's perspective and attitudes about the Asian community, then really look at yourself and start from there.

Good Luck, and I really mean it.

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Dec-07-02, 06:57 PM (EST)
42. "Soap Girl actresses"
I was invited by a friend to accompany him to go see a pre-screening of SOAP GIRL. The premiere was by far the best Asian American premieres I have ever went to in my 10 year career in production in the entertainment industry. I had so much fun.

What I was most impressed with the film was the actresses.
I loved how each individual character was molded and shaped differently, with each character bringing forth their own uniqueness to the film.

In the film, Gina Hiraizumi as "Asia" was the most impressive. This actress is going to go places, I can feel it. She is beautiful, street-smart, feisty and entertaining. I loved Gina's role because it is the character that strengthens Asian women in the position of dominance. Gina is an excellent young actress that brought a smile to my face. A+.

Tomiko Lee as "mama-san" was my next favorite. She is a very
wise woman that leads the Soapgirls on their journey in the massage parlour world. Comedic and witty at the same time, Tomiko Lee is a wonderful actress that is delightfully entertaing to watch. A.

Kerry Liu in the role of "maya" was next. Though she may lack some emotional moments, she is still physically fit for Maya.
Maya goes through a transformation of sorts and develops into the number one girl over at the parlour. Kerry Liu brings the asian girl-next-door feel to the film that a lot of Asian women can relate to. I know I did. B+.

--
J. Lee Morita

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Dec-07-02, 07:26 PM (EST)
43. "RE: Soap Girl actresses"
They sure do know how to throw a party. Mrs. Liu had on such a nice outfit that i have to ask her where she got it. She was so wonderful in the role of the lead girl. I also agree with the statement that Asian men are weak sometimes. I married one.

Ladychina

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Sammy (Guest) (2 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-07-02, 10:07 PM (EST)
44. "Breaking Sterotypes"
Note the sterotypes broken here

1) White man is wimpy and girl takes control
2) Asian women don't rely on men to take care of their problems
3) We see behind the looking glass where the "asian sex goddesses" show how it is about money and survival, not sex to them.
4) Mamason is not all good, and not all bad.
5) every girl has a different reason for being in their situation.

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Dec-07-02, 10:08 PM (EST)
45. "RE: Breaking Sterotypes"
I liked this movie!!
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Dec-08-02, 01:46 AM (EST)
46. "Controversal"
Looking at this board, guess they weren't kidding when they said this film was controversal!! Must be making a lot of people think.
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YllwPwr96 (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-08-02, 03:58 AM (EST)
47. "RE: Controversal"
"You Go, SOAP GIRL!!!"
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Solomon (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-08-02, 04:56 AM (EST)
49. "RE: Breaking Sterotypes"
This is the most intelligent post so far.

Why does everyone assume that this white guy is a savior?

In the reviews, he is described as an overaged male virgin. Hello! Male virgin. In other words, dysfunctional sociopath and potentially a repressed sex fiend.

Why do people assume that a male virgin can possibly be a noble hero? Even the actor who played him didn't want to play him as noble, merely innocent.

The writer is also an actor and he would have played it more angsty, even manic-depressive.

Yes, the role could have been comical like in every teen movie you see. But if you know any male virgins, you will know there's nothing funny about their actions and what they do to fill that sexual need in their lives.

solomon

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Dec-08-02, 10:14 AM (EST)
50. "AS A FILM, solely as a FILM!!!!"
from the looks of it, everyone seems to have covered the wide gamut of asian american social, political, gender and racial issues that underlie with this film (intended or not, it still raises these issues)... we can post messages after messages regarding the different "asian american" issues which we have all heard, read, viewed, studied and experienced (with the very few people who have not had the privilege to learn of the asian american history and culture) and we would only rehash dialogues that fully have been explored and discussed ...

bottom line, "SOAPGIRL" as a film wasn't entertaining... i found myself looking at the time to see how much longer i had to sit through it... no real depth in characters, dialogue... no plot to really follow through... no real issues to ponder upon, nor any real entertainment to laugh, cry , cringe, frown, or smile at...

i give it a THUMBS DOWN, 1 star, a film to avoid at all cost

however, my congrats to the director and the cast ( i can imagine the difficulties in making your dreams come true, something not many people can do )

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Dec-08-02, 07:35 PM (EST)
51. "RE: AS A FILM, solely as a FILM!!!!"
You might be a by-product of studio films where everything must be all flash and no pace. As an independent thinker, I thought that the film had a nice pace to it thus allowing its elements fall into place. The characters were real, in terms of, human evolvement and subtlety. The characters in Soap Girl are just as real as any studio film. In that, everything is resolved at the nth second. Fifty percent of the time, real life doesn't end with a happy ending (no pun intended here...)

I take pity in the younger generation where everything must be explained in thirty seconds or less just to get the point across. Blame it on society's woes on MTV and videogames. And, now Hollywood films have to do just the same to keep the short attention span of the younger audience. It's like reading "Hamlet" but these kids would rather obtain those yellow/black-stripped manuals because reading is boring. William Shakesphere is turning over in his grave, again and again.

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Dec-08-02, 07:42 PM (EST)
52. "RE: AS A FILM, solely as a FILM!!!!"
the way the movie was shot was awe-inspiring. i was enthralled with the emotional colors of the pacific ocean. they were pretty. and i liked the look of koreatown showing its grittiness and underground stirrings of betrayal and loneliness.
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Dec-08-02, 11:23 PM (EST)
53. "Great film"
I liked this movie beause it was so funny!

Great work SOAP GIRL !!

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LA-SUCKS (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-09-02, 04:04 AM (EST)
54. "NYROCKS"
where do i catch soap girl is it playin at angelica?
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solomon (Guest) (3 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-09-02, 06:02 PM (EST)
56. "RE: NYROCKS"
UPDATED INFORMATION

Leapfrog Productions is extending one week for their film, ¡°Soap Girl,¡± to play at the Gardena Theater, 14948 Crenshaw Blvd. Beginning Dec. 13 to Dec. 17. The original venue had been the Laemmle¡¯s Fairfax Theatre, Dec. 6 to 12.

Showtimes for the Gardena showings are Monday, Tuesday, and Friday at 5:00, 7:00, & 9:00 p.m. Saturdays and Sundays at 12:30, 2:45, 5:00, 7:00 & 9:00 p.m.

So we'll let you know when it comes to Hawaii and New York!

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IAN (Guest) (2 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-09-02, 04:11 AM (EST)
55. "RE: AS A FILM, solely as a FILM!!!!"
i can appreciate films that are far from the normal standards of hollywood flicks... for i am too a lover of independent films... yet, i am not the type to dig and dig and scratch and scratch to find certain artistic or subtle nuiances that are not intended nor claim pride over finding obvious symbolisms or cinematographic expressions ...

i guess we all have different standards in judging a flick... just to let u know, my viewing of this flick had nothing to do with expecting fast paced or an elaborate construction of action sequences or dialogues or some sense of typical hollywood eroticism...

not just as an independent thinker as u call urself, if u truly found the flick enjoyable and mesmerizing, then i guess we differ on our opinion...but don't stand on the pedestal as if ur the only independent thinker that appreciates depth of films...

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Nicole A. De Jesus, TuningIn.com (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-09-02, 07:10 PM (EST)
57. "RE: Soap Girl Film Review"
Soap Girl Film Review
By Nicole A. De Jesus, TuningIn.com

A talented Cast, a touching love-story, and a creative team is what makes a great film. A breakthrough to what Asian stereotypes have been perceived as, Soap Girl is realistic and not afraid to show it. This film will not only touch you, but will give you an insight to the meaning of humanity? which many
people have been blocked of this opportunity, due to ignorance.

Because of the diversity in cultures, stunning performance, and an extreme personal choice in dialogue, this film gives itself a presence where it will make its audience leave its own world and into theirs, (the movie) Soap Girl is a mix of tears, fun, and friendship. This is definitely not one to miss.

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Stinky (Guest) (2 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-09-02, 07:18 PM (EST)
58. "RE: Soap Girl Film Review"
Interesting. The main advertiser on the TuningIn.com website is "Soap Girl." Not sure I trust the independence of this review.
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TO: Stinky (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-09-02, 11:35 PM (EST)
59. "RE: Soap Girl Film Review"
You're blind as a bat, aren't you?
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netor (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-10-02, 04:33 PM (EST)
62. "Good movie"
SOAP GIRL IS BETTER THAN SOLARIS!!

I LOVED SOAP GIRL. EVERYONE SHOULD GO SEE IT.

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Gardena Theater (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-10-02, 10:16 PM (EST)
63. "RE: Good movie"
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Robert Montoya (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-11-02, 11:57 PM (EST)
64. "SOAP GIRL Rulez!"
Yo, what's crackin?

Now Playing!!!
Laemmle's Fairfax Cinemas Dec. 6-12
(Fairfax & Beverly Blvd., L.A.)
12:30 -- 2:45 -- 5:00 -- 7:15 -- 9:30

And, after a SUCCESSFUL FIRST WEEK RUN in Cali, the film that has everyone screaming is set for its second run at:

Extended Screening! Gardena Cinema Dec. 13-17
(14948 Crenshaw Blvd. Gardena CA)
Fri. Mon. Tue. 5:00 - 7:00 - 9:00 p.m.
Sat. and Sun. 12:30 - 2:45 - 5:00 - 7:00 - 9:00 p.m.

Cast and Crew Appearances
Come meet the people behind "Soap Girl" in person! Chat with the film crew, meet the beautiful actresses and get your hands on exclusive autographed merchandise!

Dec. 13 2002 Cast Signings
The cast and crew will be signing posters at the "Soap Girl" showings! Gardena Cinema, 6:30-7:00 and 8:30-9:00 p.m.

**** FlipStud ****

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Rainbow Brite (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-12-02, 04:01 AM (EST)
65. "RE: Gardena Theater"
I know a lot of people from the area that went to
see SoapGirl at the Fairfax Cinemas.
They all thought it was the funniest Asian
movie that was ever made. I wanted to go see
it because I heard that there's a few hot stars
in the movie. Anyone want to come watch it
with me this weekend? I am about 5'9'', Chinese/Korean,
about 170 pounds, and fine as hell.
Dont miss up on this opportunity 323-620-9877
All the fine ladies, call me.
Lets go see Soap Girl this weekend.
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Percy kim (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-13-02, 01:36 AM (EST)
66. "RE: Gardena Theater"
Really thought Soap Girl was a very good movie. I'm glad to see Asian-Americans making it big. Congradulations to the filmmakers and actors. You deserve a pat on the back for your accomplishments.

I recommend to see Soap Girl for those that want pure enjoyment and pure romance.

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solomon (Guest) (3 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-13-02, 01:29 PM (EST)
67. "RE: Gardena Theater"
As promised, more original spoilers.

Is Maya an immigrant? Definitely not, despite some audience members who claimed she spoke with an accent. I guess it's something we Asian Americans deal with. No matter how good our English is, people think we have an accent.

Maya was originally born and raised in Santa Monica and faked being an immigrant (or at least allowed the girls to think she was one) in order to work incognito at the massage parlor.

Asia had a line when she found out: "So you've been faking the FOB?"

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Nito Hsu (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-14-02, 06:50 AM (EST)
68. "RE: Gardena Theater"
What are original spoilers? Seeing the film really made me feel good about my Asian heritage. Role of Asia is the ultimate woman!
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Horace Lee, Irvine (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-15-02, 06:45 PM (EST)
69. "RE: Gardena Theater"
saw Soap Girl last night want an amazing movie what an amazing theatre. And it didnt have asian women doing kung-fu. Beautiful, brainy, sweet, and cute movie. My date loved it.
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VatoLoco (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-15-02, 07:21 PM (EST)
70. "cant y'all git along?"
wassup! hey, i saw the movie on friday and it wuz funy as hell! y'all gotta loosen up, man! fine ass girls and funy as hell! who cares all about whos dissin' who! i pay to see da movies to git my laughs on!
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gregory hsu (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-16-02, 07:54 AM (EST)
72. "Soap Girl is the best asian movie!"
Soap Girl is really funny and I found myself
sitting there laughing every 3 minutes.
I enjoyed the humor and the light comedy.
I recommend this film to anyone that wants to
have a good time. I do not recommend this film
to uptight asian people with narrow minds, however.
Just live life and have fun!

Soap Girl is the #1 movie in America!!

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Keenan Chung (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-16-02, 08:03 AM (EST)
73. "RE: Soap Girl is the best asian movie!"
WOW! SUCH BIG CONTROVERSY FOR SOAP GIRL!
I SAW THE FILM YESTERDAY IN GARDENA.
THE FILM MAY NOT BE AS BIG AS "LORD OF RINGS"
BUT I THINK THAT IT WAS A REALLY GOOD JOB
WITHIN INDEPENDENT FILM BUDGETS.
I, MYSELF WAS PROUD THAT GARDENA NATIVE,
GINA HIRAIZUMI WAS THE STAR OF THE MOVIE.
SHE GAVE ME COMPLIMENTARY TICKETS TO GO SEE IT.
SHE DID EXCELLENT WORK IN THE FILM.
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White Power (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-17-02, 10:21 AM (EST)
74. "RE: Soap Girl is the best asian movie!"
This stupid film sucks! Go back to your country!!! Asian girls are truly ugly in this soft porn.
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fuming mad (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-17-02, 12:15 PM (EST)
75. "RE: Soap Girl is the best asian movie!"
hey ignorant stupid. the girls are damn fine in this great movie. you are the one who should go back to your backward boon dog woods.
I really enjoyed this wonderful film. Will Young Man Kang direct Soap Girl II? This time, can he add more sex scenes and lots babes? My girlfriend and I are anticipating to see it. We think Soap Girl is probably the best thing that ever happened to our lives. It helped our relationship. Young Man Kang is an awesome adult film director!
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Asian Pride (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-17-02, 05:30 PM (EST)
76. ""White Power" go to hell !"
Hey yooooo! WHITE POWER stop dissin on our asian babes. You need to go to hell because our asian women are the most beautiful women in the world. Youre just bitter because we asian men can please our women and you white people are just jealous because you lack...what? COLOR!!!! hahahahahah. Go back to your country farmland you sucka!!!!!!! Go raise some cattle or somethin. Go watch some COLOR movies! (hahah) You just mad because you try to dye your hair black like us asians and it is truely embarassing to be caucasian in this world, when you keep putting down our precious asian gems..
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precious stone (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-17-02, 11:36 PM (EST)
77. "racist pigs die!"
true dat! my asian sistas rule . . . keepin it real . .

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Proud to be "real" American! (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-18-02, 03:30 AM (EST)
78. "RE: racist pigs die!"
I'm proud to be all "American" Caucasian male and I have no problem liking "hot" Asian girls. Although I think Asian men are bunch of whimps. No wonder the Asian girls like us "White" men.
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Marcus (Guest) (2 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-18-02, 05:40 AM (EST)
80. "RE: racist pigs die!"
whats with the " " " "
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you're a true american (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Jun-06-04, 05:01 AM (EST)
94. "RE: racist pigs die!"
Dumb Gringo,

If Asian women all want to flock to you because you are such brave, noble men, then why does every white country invade every Asian country and your troops find it necessary to rape the women to have sex with them and beat them into submission?

And if Americans are so brave, why don't you "real" Americans in Iraq come out of hiding from your tanks and planes so the Iraqis can cut all your heads off? It's no wonder why everyone in the world wants to kill all of you self-righteous bigots. I hope that one day you and your friends will change your ways so people around the world won't want to blow up the country you say you're so proud of.

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soft porn? (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-18-02, 05:38 AM (EST)
79. "response to asshole"
how is it a soft porn when there is no nudity ? did you watch the wrong movie?
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Ted Soh (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-18-02, 05:42 AM (EST)
81. "SOAP GIRL "
WHITE POWER why dont you state your name and what country your from?
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Asians Rulez!! (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-18-02, 03:52 PM (EST)
82. "RE: SOAP GIRL "
yo..soap gurl is tightest movie of tha year!
for Mr. White Powder, go to HELL!
Kerry Liu is a fine Korean girl! Young is so kewl!
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excellente! (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-19-02, 09:48 PM (EST)
83. "BOOTY LICIOUS"
The girls in Soap Girls should be sayin..
"My body's too booty licious for ya babe!"
to all them other asian girls because the
actresses in Soap Girl are FINE!!! HOT!!
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keenan chung (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Jan-31-04, 02:07 AM (EST)
93. "RE: Soap Girl is the best asian movie!"
I, am very interested in this, 'Keenan Chung'. Can you tell me if there are any pictures of him?

Please send re-plys to keekarkam@aol.com

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Film Threat (Guest) (2 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-20-02, 11:05 PM (EST)
84. "SOAP GIRL- THE 10 BEST UNSEEN FILMS OF 2002"
While other media outlets celebrate the obvious and the overplayed motion pictures of the past year, Film Threat would like to take some time to pay its annual tribute to both the best and the worst films which never received a wide release in 2002 and which, as of this writing, remain fairly unknown to the majority of audiences.
The top ten on this list are among the most intriguing, challenging and entertaining productions of the year and their inability to find wide release is only one of many major shames in the industry. The ten worst, however, are more than well deserving of their obscurity and unsuspecting filmgoers should thank all known deities for being spared from wasting time and money on their ineptitude.

http://filmthreat.com/Features.asp?Id=582

8. SOAP GIRL

Talented Korean-American filmmaker Young Man Kang fashioned this highly entertaining story of an unlikely sisterhood created by the employees of a Hollywood massage parlor. With a gorgeous ensemble cast playing the soapy story for all it is worth, the film is a wonderful low-cal/high-camp treat.

STATUS:
Theatrical premiere in Los Angeles earlier in December, with additional play dates scheduled for 2003.

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D. Kim (Guest) (2 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-21-02, 06:08 PM (EST)
85. "RE: SOAP GIRL- THE 10 BEST UNSEEN FILMS OF 2002"
Then what's THE 10 WORST UNSEEN FILMS OF 2002?
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southern_belle (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-23-02, 11:25 PM (EST)
86. "HaPPy HoliDayZ SoaP GiRL KReW!"
HaPPy HoliDayZ y'all! See ya neXt yeaR!
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Soap Girl (Guest) (10 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Jan-04-03, 03:04 PM (EST)
87. "RE: Soap Girl continues Texas run"
THE BORDER THEATRE
905 CONWAY,
MISSION, TX
January 18, 19

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girlfriend (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
May-04-03, 04:55 PM (EST)
88. "RE: Soap Girl continues Texas run"
Soapgirl is the best movie. I loved it, when can i buy the DVD?
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Soap Girl (Guest) (10 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Jun-10-03, 03:17 AM (EST)
89. "RE: Soap Girl "
Korean Cultural Center Special Screening

Korean feature films, presented with English subtitles, and special performance exhibitions are presented by the Korean Cultural Center on a monthly basis. The general public is welcome to come and enjoy the various cinematic screenings and performance driven programs held at the Cultural Center.

Time: 7:00PM
Place: Auditorium (Second Floor) Korean Cultural Center
Address: 5505 Wilshire Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90036
Price:Free



Director : Young Man Kang
Genre : Drama, 86 minutes
When: June 24, 2003 7pm

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Caitlyn (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Jun-30-03, 02:10 AM (EST)
90. "RE: Soap Girl "
Sweet romantic and funny film (sometimes goofy) but it's all good. Forgot about all the commotion behind it. Nevertheless, it was worth seeing a film based on realism and without the preaching. Such unique filmmaking and the cinematography was beautiful.
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FILMFANACTIC (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Jul-06-03, 07:04 PM (EST)
91. "RE: Soap Girl "
Kerry Liu was so hot as Maya. She is a talent to watch!
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Coco Kiyonaga (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Aug-27-03, 03:00 PM (EST)
92. "Cult Movies Review"
Cult Movies
by Coco Kiyonaga

Soap Girl
Unrated, 86 min. Directed by Young Man Kang


This is the true to life story of many Asian woman who arrive in America hoping to find a new life. Soap Girl is a love story that takes place in a massage parlor.
It begins with a young girl that has no where to go and ends up finding refuge in a massage parlor working for Mamasan played by Tomiko Lee.
Mamasan is a motherly woman but only as far as it pays the rent. She is a beautiful but aging woman dependent on her gangster friend for protection and support.
When he decides that he must have the young new girl all hell breaks loose and its a whole new Asian invasion that breaks out of the silkened cocoon and emerges triumphant if only in round one. There are plenty of rollercoaster rides in this wonderful picture.
Pathos, comedy, drama, and yes a bit of horror of life on the wrong side of the track.


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Soap Girl (Guest) (10 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Nov-26-05, 05:05 AM (EST)
95. "RE: Soap Girl DVD Release "

SOAP GIRL DVD Release
Directed by Young Man Kang

ONE OF THE TEN BEST UNSEEN FILMS
OF 2003 --Film Threat

WINNER! AUDIENCE AWARD!
BIG BEAR INTERNATIONAL
FILM FESTIVAL!



--- "A Marvelous Ensemble Cast with More Energy, Sexy-Appeal and Charm than any Group on Camera in Recent Memory" -Film Threat

In the wake of a personal tragedy, Maya, a beautiful young girl finds work in a seedy Hollywood massage parlor. She must learn the ropes in the gritty world of shampoo prostitution, braving gangsters, sexual assaults, corrupt police and financial hardship. Maya's only support comes from the other soap girls, until she unexpectedly falls in love with an unlikely customer, a 30 year old virgin poet named Harry. Maya takes Harry into her world and inspires him to write a novel about the massage girls as events at the parlor, involving the mob, spin out of control, giving Maya more problems and Harry more material than he bargained for.

USA 2003 90 minutes color drama
English language
Not rated
DVD UPC 658769 610239 CAT# VF6102 $19.95 SRP

http://www.youngmankang.com/onlinestore.htm

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L. Wolfe (Guest) (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Jan-17-06, 11:00 AM (EST)
96. "RE: Soap Girl DVD Release "
Have not seen this film but the commentary on it suggests a general attitude that persists in pretty much all ----/American film (and television) commentary. While recognizing - and presenting to classes - large numbers of functionally racist/sexist /----- films, we must also recognize that 1) many films/tv series easily qualify as negative for caucasians as represented but when the same characterization is made for an asian, AA, hispanic family it becomes racist in the eyes of some viewers; 2) when a film/tv show presents true but non-positive situations (there are asian, AA, hispanic, caucasion, etc. pimps, prostitutes, massage parlor owners and workers just as one small area) there tend to be claims that it is racist -except for that caucasian group. I have no idea from these postings whether Soap Girl is indeed racist or exploitative though I get a strong suspicion that it is not a great film. I also should note for the films' writer (who seems to have been posting how the film was originally scripted/planned): that doesn't really matter - what matters is what the public actually gets to see (by the way, I am actually interested in knowing how things change in that sense but that doesn't affect the finished film for review purposes)
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Aug-15-06, 11:15 PM (EST)
97. "Soap Girl DVD: Now Avaliable"
More locations where to purchase and rent the DVD of SOAP GIRL. Here are the following locations:

AMAZON.Com: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BR9S28/qid=1137050559/sr=11-1/ref=sr_11_1/103-1635932-1971807?n=130

BLOCKBUSTER VIDEO: http://www.blockbuster.com/catalog/DisplayMoreMovieProductDetails.action?channel=Movies&subChannel=sub&movieID=158557&displayBoxArt=true#Cast

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BARNES & NOBLE BOOKSTORES: http://video.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?r=1&ean=658769610239

TARGET STORES:
http://www.target.com/gp/search.html/ref=sr_bx_1/602-8442558-7469426?field-keywords=SOAP+GIRL&url=index%3Ddvd&x=15&y=8

In the wake of a personal tragedy, Maya, a beautiful young girl finds work in a seedy Hollywood massage parlor. She must learn the ropes in the gritty world of shampoo prostitution, braving gangsters, sexual assaults, corrupt police and financial hardship. Maya's only support comes from the other soap girls, until she unexpectedly falls in love with an unlikely customer, a 30 year old virgin poet named Harry. Maya takes Harry into her world and inspires him to write a novel about the massage girls as events at the parlor, involving the mob, spin out of control, giving Maya more problems and Harry more material than he bargained for.

USA 2003 90 minutes color drama
English language
Not rated

The DVD includes never-before-released scenes not seen in the theaters. Also, a behind-the-scenes bonus featurette of the making of the film.

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Last Eve (Guest) (3 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Oct-01-06, 12:54 PM (EST)
98. "RE: "The Last Eve" DVD release in Germany, Dec. 13th, 2006"
Director of Soap Girl,
Young Man Kang's The Last Eve
DVD release in Germany, Dec. 13th, 2006

by Starmedia Home Entertainment


http://www.youngmankang.com/onlinestore.htm

http://www.youngmankang.com

Synopsis

If an unclassifiable genre-bending, time-travelling, religious epic with kick-ass Muay Thai fighting, sexy evil seductresses, severed genitals, planetary death by comet, kung-fu demons, and the baby Jesus shows up at our doorstep.

Journeying backwards through history while telling, re-telling and re-imagining the story of Adam, Eve and that pesky snake (with a distinctively Buddhist spin on the proceedings - and New Testament quotations appear in a series of intertitles). The Last Eve consists of three contrasting tales (Eve's Secret, Cain & Abel, Snake's Temptation) which reveal the dark tragedies at the heart of all romance, the temptations of the flesh and the spirit, the loss of innocence - and amazingly choreographed old-school martial arts mayhem. Filmed in Death Valley and South Korea, Kang's film is (as you may imagine) quite a weird ride, and will surely find a cult following as it is seen more widely.

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Oct-03-06, 03:43 PM (EST)
99. "RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theater in LA in Dec, 6, 2002"
i've heard really good things too bad it's not in blockbuster rt now
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Oct-06-06, 05:43 PM (EST)
100. "RE: Soap Girl opens at Fairfax Laemmle Theater in LA in Dec, 6, 2002"
Sounds like an interesting film...perhaps I could order it online somewhere...any suggestions?
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